Frame Control

Last night I have spent a night with a beautiful new girl (and a new flag). After finishing making love, I tend to ask new girls “What was the moment when you decided you are going to sleep with me? What is the moment I won you over”. She answered: “I can’t really choose a moment. It is more a sum of everything. But if I had to, it would be when we were walking through doors, you opened it for me and then pushed me with your hand on the bottom of my back.” She also added: “You like to be in charge and bossy. Your messages are short and precise”. (I utilize Roosh’s policy keeping texts only for settling logistics. e.g. “Meet me at the bar at 19:00. Dress nicely.”). She continued: “You are rough, but not always.” And then she winked at me seductively.

In my transformation from a nice guy to a masculine guy, I wanted to test how far I can go with stuff I learned all over the Sphere and Internet. That usually meant doing things nice guy in me felt were wrong. But, just for sake of experimenting I kept going and pushing (since obviously nice guy mentality didn’t work). From time to time I relapsed into the nice guy (usually especially when I slept with the girl, I wanted to help her somehow). As time passed by I kept relapsing less and less and with this last girl I can happily say I don’t consider her anything more than current entertainment. Some would call it a start of misogyny. Maybe they are right. But she is having as much fun as I am. “Return them better than you found them” is a self fulfilling prophecy since they enjoy me at least as much as I enjoy them (and they get to learn a thing or two). But I am getting of the subject.

The ting I did different with this girl is not to bother myself with what is she thinking or feeling. I kept doing things that a masculine, decisive guy would. And always escalate (verbally and physically). Treat her like a black box. Don’t listen what she is saying, observe her actions. I got challenged, but I stayed congruent with the image I was presenting. That is the frame control. If you falter for a second and fail incongruently some of her shit tests, you fail. Your lose any attraction you have built and it is game over. This should not discourage you to experiment.
It is hard for a reforming nice guy, and many relapse. They set masculine frame by threatening to leave when girl has much invested (LTR), but never do. And she knows it. And when there is a threat of leaving, she flashes wit her pussy a bit and he returns. Women knows her pussy is her greatest weapon. And she will use it if she knows it works. Because you have showed her!

Let’s get to the specifics. Always be a leader and in charge. Make all arrangements and decisions. It is OK to ask her opinion, but stick to only giving her options. Don’t make her make decisions.
Ask her to oblige to your standards. She is a part of your image when she is with you. Any resistance needs to be dealt with decisively. And she will resist (thus testing you). Punish her when she is not obliging by removing your attention from her, not commenting on something she worked hard and plainly ignoring her. Tease her. It is freakishly accurate how this resembles to training a dog.
Make her commit. Small commitments (coming to a meeting place you have chosen) at first and keep going from them (kino escalation, time investment, gifts, make out, hickeys, sex).
Always be the one to stop the interaction. Interaction can be texting, conversation, date, making out or sex. This shows you are in control.
Ask for what you want to do or think belongs to you. This also starts small (“I would fancy a walk before going to the bar”) and escalates (“I want another round with you”).
Handle LMR gracefully. Don’t show you are annoyed sexually depraved AFC you probably are. This is the basics of all techniques handling LMR. Even after sex, keep your frame. She didn’t give you anything, you weren’t lucky, you don’t have to grateful. You conquered her and you took it. And she loved it. When escalating towards sex, lead her, hold her and move her. Show your strength and masculinity. Learn about how to be a good kisser and lover. There is a ton of stuff on the Internet.

Improve yourself from inside out and everything else will fall into place.



Many will say that once you take the red pill, you have to start hating women. This is not true, at least for the most of us.
Unfortunately, not everyone is ready to take the pill and put an effort that changing your life requires. Also, after realizing and acknowledging the truth, there is a period of frustration. Suddenly, all things you believed, happened to be false. Your world turned around overnight. Again, person who is not strong enough to start life changing process, will take the easy way and became a hater.
Those who start working on themselves will realize one inalienable truth:

Women are not as precious and rare every man thinks they are.

Especially when you see how efficiently routines and materials work. Women will stop to be a mysterious object of desire that is out of your reach.
You will also feel a certain sadness towards women. Their only power is sexual, which has a limited lifespan (their biological clock tends to clock out sooner than ours). Also, they lose most of or all of their power once they give it to a man (or man has taken the pill). They are also attracted to jerks, who abuse them and they tend to rationale it. They are so insecure and lost in the world without someone to guide them, and they are programmed to like it.

One large consequence of the Game is that you stop appreciating women as you used to when you didn’t understand them. You tend to put them at their place and not take them as seriously as you used to. It is similar as when you start with a new hobby. You are so eager to try everything and now. As time passes, novelty factor (or lack of it) takes over and hobby is not as exciting as it used to be.

What is your opinion on the subject? Write them in comments.

Game Morality

If being a nice guy is wrong, that means I have to be a bad boy or jerk in order to be good at Game. Right?
Being nice and being jerk are two opposites. Hitting the golden middle is the key. What does that mean? It means not to tolerate any shit you would not otherwise tolerate. It is the same formula as when dealing with shit tests. When having a moral dilemma, ask yourself: “Is this something I would normally do/put up with if this was a guy who is someone I particularly don’t care about?”. If yes, then proceed, if no, don’t do it. It is as simple as that. Do not tolerate a woman just because she is a woman (and has a pussy). Don’t be nice just because you have to, it is expected from you or you were raised to be like that.

But all those routines, techniques and materials look manipulative. I just want to be myself.
Let me ask you a counter question. How often are you “being yourself” when with a women? Do you buy every stranger you meet at the nightclub a drink? Or you buy drinks to girls because you want to them to like you? Are you speaking what is on your mind or are you saying what you think she will like? Are you doing stuff you like or stuff you think she likes? Please, tell me how this is not manipulative or “just being yourself”?
It is not.

Being a guy who knows what he wants and is not afraid to get what he wants is the basic idea of the Game.
All those materials and routines are there to help a guy to get there. Game is knowledge and like any knowledge it is morally neutral. How you use this knowledge, is up to you.
But, let’s say, for sake of an argument, you are using your knowledge to get women to sleep with you. Is this wrong? Are they really hating being with a guy who “knows the stuff”? Again, let’s say that this is wrong and manipulative (which I don’t think is). There are only two things you can do. You can either watch and hold a moral stand or join the ride. I agree that nice guy should be “the right way”, but it is not. Time when women were courted and impressed by men has passed. Today, things are as they are. Jerks are getting all the cool girls, while nice guys are finishing last (if ever). These are the new rules of the Game.

Thirdly, girls are using same Game on us when they are checking us out. They use shit tests, wait last second to text us, flaking, playing hard to get (even she likes you)… Social conditioning at it’s finest. When I am asked what is Game all about, it is using women psychology on women.

Lastly, if you are still having moral dilemmas, here is what you can do. When you leave a girl, leave her in a better state then you have found her. As simple as that. Only try not to get overboard and to an extreme known as a nice guy.

On a personal note, I have been struggling with these questions for a while when I was starting. I believed Game was wrong, a necessary evil. That I was not being myself. But let me tell you. Today, I like my “new”, changed self. It has a better hold of it’s life. My life has been richer than ever before. You might be thinking that I am making myself believe, but my friends are seeing improvements in my life. All is not nice and pretty, though. There were consequences.

What is your opinion on Game morality? Share your story.